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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s a Fact? And who can we/should we trust? by debmeier</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 01:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From George Wood, Ohio, Principal
Just Be Nice
May 19, 2013 - The Forum 
by George Wood, Forum Executive Director  
(Dr. Wood will retire this year after serving as principal of Federal Hocking Secondary School in Stewart, Ohio for 21 years.  He will stay on as superintendent of the Federal Hocking District.)
Some 21 years ago I swiped an idea from my friend Dennis Littky and started sending out what I call &quot;TGIFs.&quot; The idea was to inform, and perhaps provoke some thought about how we keep school.  This will be my last one.
I have grappled with what to say in this for weeks.  It is part of who we humans are that &#039;starts&#039; and &#039;ends&#039; of things seem to call for profundity.  But profundity eludes me.  So I&#039;ll leave you with this one small thought:  Be nice.
There is not a lot (at my advanced age) that I remember about my own time as a student, but what I do remember are the acts of kindness by my teachers.  Mrs.  Kotcher, my kindergarten teacher, finding me long pants to put on the first day of school when older kids made fun of my shorts;  Mrs. West (3rd grade) convincing me it was OK to miss school (first absence in four years) to go to Opening Day with my dad;  Mr. O&#039;Berry, a giant of a man, who allowed what seemed like our whole class to sit on his lap and cry when we heard President Kennedy was assassinated;  Mrs.  Hall agreeing that I was too ill to stay in 10th grade English class and should go home--in time to see the first pitch of the final game of the 1968 World Series (yes, baseball was played during the day back then); Mr. Roush who, in 12th grade, took us out of school every chance he got to see science in action and, who on one of the trips, allowed us to get up and walk out of a restaurant in South Carolina that refused to serve one of our African-American classmates;  Dr. Phillips finding me dejected outside his office door when I picked up a C- exam paper and spending the rest of the afternoon, the day before spring break, teaching me how to write; and Dr. Geer who made it a habit to invite groups of undergraduates out to dinner and then supply them with theater tickets to performances we never would have attended otherwise.
I know I learned a lot of academic stuff too, but what stuck with me were the kindnesses shown when, more often than not, I did nothing to deserve them.  Nothing more than being a student, a child, who happened to be in their classroom.
When I look back over my notebooks and journals from the past 21 years there are plenty of things I regret. What I do not regret were the times we educators chose to be kind to a kid.  The times when we gave a child a second--and then third and fourth chance.  The times we decided to let a kid go on a field trip, ignoring some misdeed that might have excluded him from the trip so that a child who had never been further than the county line could see the world writ large.  You know the drill.
School should be a place for all sorts of kindnesses.  After all, children are forced to attend, with little or no choice over the building, staff, or bus driver they draw.  School is one of their first experiences with government, with strangers in close proximity, with authority outside of the family.  School should be a place of challenge, but also a place where children are supported to try, and try again.  Students should leave us knowing that for this time in their lives they were in the company of people who genuinely liked them and worked in their best interests.
When people ask me about what changes I have seen in the two decades I&#039;ve worked here, I know they expect me to say something about how kids or families or teachers have changed.  Wrong.  Kids are still interesting, if a bit more docile, and interested in the world around them.  Families still want the best they can marshal for their children.  And teachers are here because they think they can make a difference.
What has changed is that it is harder for us to be nice to kids.  With elevated standards and increased testing, we find ourselves with less leeway with which we can help a child navigate.  With &#039;zero tolerance&#039; laws and other Draconian rules, the mistakes some children make can no longer be forgiven.  The rapid-fire social media culture means that if we ever err on the side of mercy or charity, it will quickly be seized upon by those who are just looking for us to make a mistake.  And the emphasis on punishing schools for things like dropouts makes it that much harder to enroll a student whose residence is just a bit suspect.
There is no benefit to this toughness.  Getting tough on kids will not make them tougher or any smarter.  Forcing educators to act like their hands are tied at the most important moments in a child&#039;s life only teaches children that the adults in their lives are powerless.  Turning a deaf ear to the needs of kids, to moments when we could be kind rather than just follow the rules, does not help kids learn anything except that those in charge are operating at the lowest level of ethical reasoning.
Being kind is not always easy.  It&#039;s easier to declare that a child earned the punishment he or she is receiving, and that they need to learn a lesson.  Unfortunately, the only lesson that child will learn is that sometimes adults are more interested in rules and punishments that they are in children.
We can teach our children a better lesson.  We can teach them, as I&#039;ve seen hundreds of children learn at my school, that when the chips are down teachers come through.  We can teach them that when it seems like there is no way out of the hole that they have dug, a member of the school staff will show up with a shovel.  We can teach them that no matter what silly, dumb, or downright ignorant thing he or she has said or done in the past, caring adults have short memories for minor mistakes and longer memories for serious work and accomplishment.
I was trying to figure out how to finish this when a graduate from 2010 walked into my office.  He was a difficult kid, barely made it to graduation.  I know we helped him across the line.  But he wanted me to be the first to know that he had just been offered a good job, with benefits, because, he said, he had graduated from our school.  As he went off to tell his former teachers the good news, I realized that what we did for him, more than anything else, was to just be nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From George Wood, Ohio, Principal<br />
Just Be Nice<br />
May 19, 2013 &#8211; The Forum<br />
by George Wood, Forum Executive Director<br />
(Dr. Wood will retire this year after serving as principal of Federal Hocking Secondary School in Stewart, Ohio for 21 years.  He will stay on as superintendent of the Federal Hocking District.)<br />
Some 21 years ago I swiped an idea from my friend Dennis Littky and started sending out what I call &#8220;TGIFs.&#8221; The idea was to inform, and perhaps provoke some thought about how we keep school.  This will be my last one.<br />
I have grappled with what to say in this for weeks.  It is part of who we humans are that &#8216;starts&#8217; and &#8216;ends&#8217; of things seem to call for profundity.  But profundity eludes me.  So I&#8217;ll leave you with this one small thought:  Be nice.<br />
There is not a lot (at my advanced age) that I remember about my own time as a student, but what I do remember are the acts of kindness by my teachers.  Mrs.  Kotcher, my kindergarten teacher, finding me long pants to put on the first day of school when older kids made fun of my shorts;  Mrs. West (3rd grade) convincing me it was OK to miss school (first absence in four years) to go to Opening Day with my dad;  Mr. O&#8217;Berry, a giant of a man, who allowed what seemed like our whole class to sit on his lap and cry when we heard President Kennedy was assassinated;  Mrs.  Hall agreeing that I was too ill to stay in 10th grade English class and should go home&#8211;in time to see the first pitch of the final game of the 1968 World Series (yes, baseball was played during the day back then); Mr. Roush who, in 12th grade, took us out of school every chance he got to see science in action and, who on one of the trips, allowed us to get up and walk out of a restaurant in South Carolina that refused to serve one of our African-American classmates;  Dr. Phillips finding me dejected outside his office door when I picked up a C- exam paper and spending the rest of the afternoon, the day before spring break, teaching me how to write; and Dr. Geer who made it a habit to invite groups of undergraduates out to dinner and then supply them with theater tickets to performances we never would have attended otherwise.<br />
I know I learned a lot of academic stuff too, but what stuck with me were the kindnesses shown when, more often than not, I did nothing to deserve them.  Nothing more than being a student, a child, who happened to be in their classroom.<br />
When I look back over my notebooks and journals from the past 21 years there are plenty of things I regret. What I do not regret were the times we educators chose to be kind to a kid.  The times when we gave a child a second&#8211;and then third and fourth chance.  The times we decided to let a kid go on a field trip, ignoring some misdeed that might have excluded him from the trip so that a child who had never been further than the county line could see the world writ large.  You know the drill.<br />
School should be a place for all sorts of kindnesses.  After all, children are forced to attend, with little or no choice over the building, staff, or bus driver they draw.  School is one of their first experiences with government, with strangers in close proximity, with authority outside of the family.  School should be a place of challenge, but also a place where children are supported to try, and try again.  Students should leave us knowing that for this time in their lives they were in the company of people who genuinely liked them and worked in their best interests.<br />
When people ask me about what changes I have seen in the two decades I&#8217;ve worked here, I know they expect me to say something about how kids or families or teachers have changed.  Wrong.  Kids are still interesting, if a bit more docile, and interested in the world around them.  Families still want the best they can marshal for their children.  And teachers are here because they think they can make a difference.<br />
What has changed is that it is harder for us to be nice to kids.  With elevated standards and increased testing, we find ourselves with less leeway with which we can help a child navigate.  With &#8216;zero tolerance&#8217; laws and other Draconian rules, the mistakes some children make can no longer be forgiven.  The rapid-fire social media culture means that if we ever err on the side of mercy or charity, it will quickly be seized upon by those who are just looking for us to make a mistake.  And the emphasis on punishing schools for things like dropouts makes it that much harder to enroll a student whose residence is just a bit suspect.<br />
There is no benefit to this toughness.  Getting tough on kids will not make them tougher or any smarter.  Forcing educators to act like their hands are tied at the most important moments in a child&#8217;s life only teaches children that the adults in their lives are powerless.  Turning a deaf ear to the needs of kids, to moments when we could be kind rather than just follow the rules, does not help kids learn anything except that those in charge are operating at the lowest level of ethical reasoning.<br />
Being kind is not always easy.  It&#8217;s easier to declare that a child earned the punishment he or she is receiving, and that they need to learn a lesson.  Unfortunately, the only lesson that child will learn is that sometimes adults are more interested in rules and punishments that they are in children.<br />
We can teach our children a better lesson.  We can teach them, as I&#8217;ve seen hundreds of children learn at my school, that when the chips are down teachers come through.  We can teach them that when it seems like there is no way out of the hole that they have dug, a member of the school staff will show up with a shovel.  We can teach them that no matter what silly, dumb, or downright ignorant thing he or she has said or done in the past, caring adults have short memories for minor mistakes and longer memories for serious work and accomplishment.<br />
I was trying to figure out how to finish this when a graduate from 2010 walked into my office.  He was a difficult kid, barely made it to graduation.  I know we helped him across the line.  But he wanted me to be the first to know that he had just been offered a good job, with benefits, because, he said, he had graduated from our school.  As he went off to tell his former teachers the good news, I realized that what we did for him, more than anything else, was to just be nice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s a Fact? And who can we/should we trust? by davichon</title>
		<link>http://deborahmeier.com/2013/05/18/whats-a-fact-and-who-can-weshould-we-trust/#comment-2153</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the years -- and I think that included reading the (Ted Sizer) Horace books c. 1990 -- this has become an article of faith for me: NO &quot;one best way&quot; (!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the years &#8212; and I think that included reading the (Ted Sizer) Horace books c. 1990 &#8212; this has become an article of faith for me: NO &#8220;one best way&#8221; (!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on I used to, but now&#8230;? by debmeier</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe we see the goals of education differently?   I think the special attention is an effort to obscure the rel causes of our growing inequity, the financial crisis, the jobs being outsourced, etc.  It been an effective distraction from talking about poverty and inequality.    
I just found these comments, so, how are you all?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we see the goals of education differently?   I think the special attention is an effort to obscure the rel causes of our growing inequity, the financial crisis, the jobs being outsourced, etc.  It been an effective distraction from talking about poverty and inequality.<br />
I just found these comments, so, how are you all?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s a Fact? And who can we/should we trust? by Rusty Y. Curry</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 15:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the years, I have asked many education professionals the following question: If you were to place all your chips on one key idea upon which to stake American school reform, which gamble seems best to take? I have heard answers that range from reducing class size and differentiated instruction, to authentic assessment, drastic increases in teacher pay, to no-schools-but-widescale apprenticeships. What might your answer be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the years, I have asked many education professionals the following question: If you were to place all your chips on one key idea upon which to stake American school reform, which gamble seems best to take? I have heard answers that range from reducing class size and differentiated instruction, to authentic assessment, drastic increases in teacher pay, to no-schools-but-widescale apprenticeships. What might your answer be?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s a Fact? And who can we/should we trust? by davichon</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 20:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh dear, the learning community meets the (imploded, partly mythological) public square, aka democracy.And both the children of that encounter and the children at their desk work better at Questions than Answers.

Whaddeweye Gno about this?   

Ms. Deborah spends herself building stuff and thinking about it. I respect and love what she writes because it is the stupidly modest provisional knowledge that comes from fighting the good fight and thinking the intractable think. Loving actual kids.  For years and years. Now that is putting the piss in epistemology.

Also -- not a small matter -- she&#039;s a bit easier to take than her counterpart in the big-D Democracy arena... which would be Chris Hedges.

Because face it, the story of her sad brave friend with his Outcast School is heartbreaking even is you have (and we all do) many hearts. Anyone who engages &quot;the least of these&quot; knows that along with that beautiful newish creature, every ill that society is heir to walks in through the classroom door.

You teach in gone fathers, you teach in consumerism, the street (whatever it may be), the movies and musci. You build and scaffold like crazy, and it can be a bridge to knowhere, a tower of babble, and everything in between.... will be, if you can handle it. The friend I imagine had lots of mini-miracles as well as regrets, but maybe the walls of his arteries began to resemble the walls of the trenches where he struggled, resounding with damage and rubble.

So now we have some context (current so-called reformers be damned) for discussing &quot;data,,&quot; and being a little less driven -- by prevailing thought and Power.

(Which still leaves our friends democratic Reason and Persuasion hanging from some kind of increasingly authoritarian corporativtist ledge, but... you know... enough already...  )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, the learning community meets the (imploded, partly mythological) public square, aka democracy.And both the children of that encounter and the children at their desk work better at Questions than Answers.</p>
<p>Whaddeweye Gno about this?   </p>
<p>Ms. Deborah spends herself building stuff and thinking about it. I respect and love what she writes because it is the stupidly modest provisional knowledge that comes from fighting the good fight and thinking the intractable think. Loving actual kids.  For years and years. Now that is putting the piss in epistemology.</p>
<p>Also &#8212; not a small matter &#8212; she&#8217;s a bit easier to take than her counterpart in the big-D Democracy arena&#8230; which would be Chris Hedges.</p>
<p>Because face it, the story of her sad brave friend with his Outcast School is heartbreaking even is you have (and we all do) many hearts. Anyone who engages &#8220;the least of these&#8221; knows that along with that beautiful newish creature, every ill that society is heir to walks in through the classroom door.</p>
<p>You teach in gone fathers, you teach in consumerism, the street (whatever it may be), the movies and musci. You build and scaffold like crazy, and it can be a bridge to knowhere, a tower of babble, and everything in between&#8230;. will be, if you can handle it. The friend I imagine had lots of mini-miracles as well as regrets, but maybe the walls of his arteries began to resemble the walls of the trenches where he struggled, resounding with damage and rubble.</p>
<p>So now we have some context (current so-called reformers be damned) for discussing &#8220;data,,&#8221; and being a little less driven &#8212; by prevailing thought and Power.</p>
<p>(Which still leaves our friends democratic Reason and Persuasion hanging from some kind of increasingly authoritarian corporativtist ledge, but&#8230; you know&#8230; enough already&#8230;  )</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 13:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 10:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 02:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, even those of us who follow this were amazed at this bad/good news from Bracey!  Thank goodness for people who dig deep into the news for what is really there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, even those of us who follow this were amazed at this bad/good news from Bracey!  Thank goodness for people who dig deep into the news for what is really there.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 02:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 16:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the heart of democracy in principle is the right to vote. Though many erroneously believe this right appeared magically after the adoption of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the only Americans allowed at the polls at the turn of the 19th century during the &quot;Birth of a Nation&quot; were free, white, male landowners at least 21 years of age. It took a lot of later amendments to enfranchise the majority of the people, after the Civil War, another just after World War I and yet another during the final year of the Vietnam Conflict. It took a lot of courageous common people to win the battles for voting rights for black people (1865), for women (1920) and for people under the age of 21 (1972).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the heart of democracy in principle is the right to vote. Though many erroneously believe this right appeared magically after the adoption of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the only Americans allowed at the polls at the turn of the 19th century during the &#8220;Birth of a Nation&#8221; were free, white, male landowners at least 21 years of age. It took a lot of later amendments to enfranchise the majority of the people, after the Civil War, another just after World War I and yet another during the final year of the Vietnam Conflict. It took a lot of courageous common people to win the battles for voting rights for black people (1865), for women (1920) and for people under the age of 21 (1972).</p>
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